Even after the best day the stock market has seen in two years, famed investor Carl Icahn still isnt changing his pessimistic outlook on the economy.
Icahn reiterated warnings that the U.S. is in a recession and that he is keeping his portfolio at Icahn Enterprises hedged, the billionaire said on CNBCs Closing Bell Overtime show on Thursday. Icahn argues Thursdays swings in the market were made by a small percentage of investors and are not indicative of the broader market sentiment.
I am still very, quite bearish on what is going to happen. A rally like this is of course very dramatic, to say the least but I still think we are in a bear market, Icahn said.
After a Thursday report showed that inflation in the U.S. eased last month by more than expected, everything from metals to European stocks soared in price. The S&P 500 surged 5.5% while the Dow Jones Industrial Average leaped 1,200 points. Even the tech-heavy Nasdaq composite, down 30% year to date, packed what could be a years worth of gains by jumping 7.4% in a single day.
While the inflation report led some people to believe that the worst of high inflation has finally passed, other investors, including Icahn, have warned that it is too premature to declare that with any certainty.
I dont think inflation is going awaynot for the near term. I think youre going to have more of a recession, more of an earnings decrease, Icahn stated.
Icahn, who boasts a net worth of $24 billion, believes high interest rates and an inverted yield curve on treasury bonds make a recession inevitable. I do think its certainly dramatic and maybe exciting, Icahn said referring to the momentous Thursday rally, but I dont really think it changes my opinion on the basic problems that we have.
Why the big pop?
Icahn believes only a limited number of traders were behind Thursdays rally. If you take the population of stockholders, theres only a small percentage that trade like this, Icahn said. In times of market downturn, he added, short interest builds up and when there is any positive news, like Thursdays inflation report, a small number of investors can suddenly propel prices upwards.
But as inflation continues to ravage markets and make households poorer, a short day of gains wont change the trajectory of the economy.
One main driver behind inflation is caused by the young people who dont want to work, Icahn says. As more and more of the youth turn their back on the job market, there will be more wage inflation as the older generation has to retire.
Icahn has been a doomsayer of the economy since inflation first started rising last year. Icahn warned back in March that a recession or even worse was likely on the way for the U.S. economy, comparing todays high inflation to that of the 1970s when the Fed struggled to control rising consumer prices. More recently, he told Marketwatch at the Best New Ideas in Money Festival in September that the worst is yet to come.
I think the Fed did what they had to do, Icahn said to CNBC this Thursday. I think they came late to the game to raise interest rates. But I dont think the inflation is overI lived through the 70s. It took years and years and years to get it over with. You cant wave a magic wand to get inflation over with.
The consumer price index increased 0.4% for the month of October and 7.7% from a year ago, down from a 8.2% year-over-year rise in September. The year-over-year drop was the fourth straight decrease in a row since inflation hit a peak of 9.1% in June.
When will inflation start easing?
Some analysts believe this lower-than-expected inflation report is the start of defusing inflation. This is not some kind of outlier, Omair Sharif of Inflation Insights wrote in an investor note seen by Reuters. This is the startof lower prints.
Other analysts argue that more inflation data is needed to better assess the path the economy is heading in. Systematic strategies were set up completely wrong for this CPI print today, said Mike Lewis, head of U.S. equity cash trading at Barclays.
Like Icahn, Lewis notes that he had not seen any real money a term for mutual funds, pension funds, and other non-leveraged market investors buying up stocks in Thursdays rally. Lewis argues the rally is unlikely to last until we get more data like this CPI print, and with similar velocity.
Similarly, Tallbacken Capital Advisors chief executive Michael Purves agreed that risk assets are not out of the woods yet.
I am not being very bearish. I just dont know whether this means you should start buying every dip you get, Purves said. We need a lot more confirming evidence.
But bullish analysts are mostly hoping that Thursdays inflation reading will give the U.S. central bank good reason to go with a smaller hike in the next coming Federal Open Market Committee.
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